Genesis Shapers Update: August 2021

David Vogelpohl: Hello everyone and welcome to the genesis Community live cast this is our genesis shapers recap episode for August 2021 I think last month, they said 2020.

David Vogelpohl: shapers meeting and titled wordpress 5.8 themed json and upsell strategies for agencies, I think people were telling their friends about this, using all of that, in the title.

David Vogelpohl: But for those unfamiliar my name is David vole Paul i’ve been a proud member of the genesis Community for over eight years.

David Vogelpohl: And I love helping the genesis Community get better, together with my friends from the shapers and joining me today is one of my friends from the shapers but he often doesn’t get to show up he has to like.

David Vogelpohl: kind of participate asynchronously there, but for some very good reasons i’d like to welcome to this shapers recap episode, Mr rob stinson of wp engine rob welcome to the recap episode.

Rob Stinson: Good hi everyone it’s good to be here shape is often occurs at odd hours for me 1am 2am so it’s kind of good to join something live it’s fun.

David Vogelpohl: And now I know like I like how you started with good day there to tell my graph the the geography and the.

David Vogelpohl: You know it’s funny rob I remember yeah was it yesterday we were talking about what is it world time buddy or something like that the website I use so like coordinate meetings across time zones and I came to use that site, because of the shapers meeting and trying to.

Rob Stinson: schedule it.

David Vogelpohl: And like you just can’t schedule a meeting with people in Europe, North America and Australia without somebody being stuck out on time.

Rob Stinson: it’s true I think i’ve been i’ve been working a CIG sort of remote in worldwide companies and teams for like I know, five or six years, actually, maybe even longer.

Rob Stinson: And i’ve never been able to properly and beautifully solve the whole figure out of time for meetings thing it’s like, just as you get it figured out daylight savings kicks in for someone and it just throws it.

David Vogelpohl: says it all.

David Vogelpohl: We did take into account, Australia, though, when we chose our time.

David Vogelpohl: We just took in the west coast of Australia and New account and not these guys.

Rob Stinson: i’ll just i’ll just jump in the car every Tuesday and driving.

Rob Stinson: Cross country that.

David Vogelpohl: That was for a really there and Perth so.

David Vogelpohl: Oh yeah absolutely cool well we’ll go ahead and jump into the shapers agenda, the questions that we asked the shapers every week and.

David Vogelpohl: Robin i’ll kind of break down the questions and people’s responses and our own dots so we’ll go ahead and jump right into that.

David Vogelpohl: So the first question that we ask of every shapers meeting is can we get a show of a mogi for those in attendance.

David Vogelpohl: And we have two people with a hand waving emoji here we have Nick croft of the author of the book genesis explained, we also have Mike hamburger of my themes john brown replies, with a wave emoji that looks like that, like the Japanese art version of the The wave like that.

Rob Stinson: Like not a way oh yeah.

David Vogelpohl: And, but it was like the ocean wave.

Rob Stinson: Very Meta.

David Vogelpohl: Like yeah I didn’t realize that just now actually.

David Vogelpohl: When I said it out loud that’s crazy Brian Gardner there with the peace sign Ryan can stretch your buddy there right right rob.

Rob Stinson: yeah it would be made for a long time runs a legend.

David Vogelpohl: I think you see me slack.

Rob Stinson: i’ll just say if anyone sees me in slack my show you, you say goodbye to him oh hi higher howdy how are you adding.

David Vogelpohl: In South America, right now, right so maybe yeah right, I did in Mexico that’s it.

David Vogelpohl: There you go there you go OK so maybe more Central America, then very interesting.

David Vogelpohl: that’s cool and then, how do you know Ryan, I think, like we just kind of breezed over like Oh, this is rob stinson would wp engine like I didn’t like explain your background.

Rob Stinson: I wouldn’t Ryan for for years and years actually we work together previously to an agency mvp me in.

Rob Stinson: Either project management role actually that’s that’s right when I first joined, I was a project manager and he was on the very first team that I helped you know run so if five or six years we work with Ryan on in various different projects.

Rob Stinson: Which entities.

David Vogelpohl: what’s your genesis connection that are and like what’s that part.

Rob Stinson: I mean, obviously I work with wp engine as a product market and.

Rob Stinson: work very closely with the genesis team so help representing the product to the market and everything but with Ryan he’s one of the senior engineers on genesis.

Rob Stinson: We both joined the team together actually we came from our heritage together was with blood lab, which was a plugin that we both built, together with another friend of ours and Luke.

Rob Stinson: And we there was all about making it easy for people to create custom blocks for the new block editor.

Rob Stinson: gmail plugin and we decided to bring that to the technology and innovation over to the genesis team, so that plugin is now.

Rob Stinson: represented by genesis custom blogs so ryan’s the lead engineer on that plugin and then I sort of interact from a bit of product design, actually, but my product marketing perspective on that plugin and the rest of the cool stuff in genesis.

David Vogelpohl: And I think a lot of people might probably be familiar with you from your blog posts, certainly on the studio press blog I know that i’ve personally.

David Vogelpohl: Had here.

David Vogelpohl: How to build a custom collection posts post as many, many people, so thank you for this contributions as well rob I will go ahead and keep on going, though the emoji we got Ryan Murray here 3200 creative with.

David Vogelpohl: A a rice scene so some more Japanese are good to see the rest of a theme that day we got into y by dollar with a hand wave Sally gets rhymes like sketch with like a second.

David Vogelpohl: Maybe it’s a wave but good to see her there she says she hasn’t seen 7am in six weeks she’s in California so there’s really early for her.

David Vogelpohl: And then needed with a nice hand race race alright cool I needed Carter for those unfamiliar the creative diva.

David Vogelpohl: Alright cool next up, we have our first kind of material question for the shapers around topics of interest.

David Vogelpohl: And the first one is, if you run a theme company, how did your customers fair with upgrading to wordpress five point a relative to changes to the widget area.

David Vogelpohl: And so, for those unfamiliar and version 5.8 of wordpress there were updates to the widget area in wordpress and it was kind of this more block first approach to widgets.

David Vogelpohl: And with the change certain sites and many genesis sites that rely on widgets.

David Vogelpohl: had certain kinds of errors with the update now the genesis engineering team, this is primarily for genesis framework sites for clarity, but the genesis engineering team, of course.

David Vogelpohl: test versions of wordpress before they go live and had discovered this ahead of time and in word genesis 3.34 we had released basically a setting which disabled.

David Vogelpohl: The update for blocks relative to the widget area now, this was not something we just kind of pulled out of thin air, it was actually a recommendation that was kind of provided a theme for providers, for this very reason.

David Vogelpohl: they’re on wordpress.org rob are you following that very closely, I mean like in the general wordpress and in genesis where all that was that was a big thing but did you follow this widget and block item very closely at all.

Rob Stinson: yeah generally um it’s interesting because it’s a little bit of a milestone because me two years the block editor has been in wordpress right and.

Rob Stinson: full of all its highs and lows is generally only only been responsible for the content area, and so the introduction of the block.

Rob Stinson: You know experience to widgets is a major milestone in terms of it, breaking out of just that content area.

Rob Stinson: Obviously we’re looking down the line towards full site editing and you know the block header to being everything within wordpress really, I suppose, creating and managing a site and everything so happy to have it.

Rob Stinson: start to handle widgets it’s a it’s a kind of important moments so.

Rob Stinson: i’ve not heard anything in the wider wordpress community.

Rob Stinson: particularly negative like i’m not had you know, this is a massive disaster, this is ruined everything, why should we do this, like the i’m not.

David Vogelpohl: observed and I have data.

David Vogelpohl: rob well that.

David Vogelpohl: may be Oh well.

David Vogelpohl: I have Annika.

David Vogelpohl: Asking of our support people because this you know when this started coming up.

David Vogelpohl: With 3.34 and you know Nathan rice a DM me on slack and was like hey this is coming down fyi so check that out.

David Vogelpohl: You know, as I thought it was it was.

David Vogelpohl: You know hadn’t really considered it very much in terms of like the implication to wordpress itself, but rather thinking about it through the lens of implications.

David Vogelpohl: But I think from the support side, I immediately thought well geez I wonder, you know I wonder.

David Vogelpohl: Again this affects other themes that rely on widgets and other types of wordpress sites that rely on widgets.

David Vogelpohl: And so i’m thinking like well gee is if this was maybe a big deal for a lot of Genesis sites, maybe it’s a big deal in general, and of course theme providers can also implement the same I guess feature, if you will be like turn off the block editor in widget area.

David Vogelpohl: But we have not seen that be a problem for wp engine customers in a grand scale genesis or otherwise.

David Vogelpohl: With the rollout of five eight so and i’ve been monitoring it in our internal slack channels, where we monitor the health of.

David Vogelpohl: wordpress rollouts because, on the wp engine platform, we all customers always.

David Vogelpohl: Are on an updated version of wordpress for security and that that’s a big part of that, so we do these forced rollouts we monitor the health of them.

David Vogelpohl: You know, to make sure customers are in good shape and we haven’t actually seen a lot I keep asking about it, but we were like oh yeah that’s a good point will check on it and then like it just never materializes in anything big so it seems to have been a very clean rollout.

Rob Stinson: No news is good news.

David Vogelpohl: yeah yeah absolutely it’s working lies, let me look what about this one of that they’re like oh yeah it’s good point and then sometimes it’s nothing but.

David Vogelpohl: it’s good to check right that’s why I do stuff like that I like know why by Deloitte he’s with awesome press their theme company out of Spain, and he has a wonderful wonderful.

David Vogelpohl: set of products there, but he always has the answer like Is this a problem he’s like no it’s not a problem at all like they run such a clean operation like with their customers and their products.

David Vogelpohl: is like they prep everybody so well that he’s always got the yeah I was just fine but that’s what he says here they didn’t have any issues with five eight.

David Vogelpohl: He kind of credited that, though, to all of his teams being blocked based so awesome press is a fairly new theme company.

David Vogelpohl: So, like right out of the gate they weren’t really making widget based themes now know why has been in genesis for a while it’s like he has made you know, obviously, many quote widget based names, but.

David Vogelpohl: Is awesome christine’s from the get go or block base so that was kind of easy for him to deal with it looks like.

David Vogelpohl: um let’s see what else so Anita is saying and i’m not going to name this other theme company she’s working with not this is, you know bad reflection on them or anything but she’s working with another thing company and she basically says when it came out.

David Vogelpohl: They were overwhelmed with tickets around the customizer and.

David Vogelpohl: You know I kind of asked her, I was like well where the tickets related to people that had not updated to genesis 3.34 because you know this included the feature which turned it off and.

David Vogelpohl: yeah she said it was related to people who had not perform that update prior to the 5.5 update so, for whatever reason, that was a more pronounced issue with her.

David Vogelpohl: It looks like Mike hamburger my theme says that they had no real issues there, but again he’s kind of reporting back that they barely use which areas.

Rob Stinson: So i’m wondering dependency was low.

David Vogelpohl: yeah I was wondering if if need is the theme company she’s working with leveraged widget based themes more heavily I think they’re leveraging blocks, but maybe they’re not you know, maybe, maybe they’re older themes in particular.

David Vogelpohl: But we didn’t see genesis or studio press support blow up over this as well, either so it’s kind of interesting that needed had a harder time with the and sometimes like.

David Vogelpohl: Sometimes exploding is relative to right like you didn’t 20 emails all of the same time, like i’m exploding right I don’t know but I mean about questioning what she said, like you know me.

David Vogelpohl: And then, what is Sally gets here say.

David Vogelpohl: she’s basically saying that you know for legacy sites are more the issue, but again sally’s pretty on top of things with managing her sites so.

Rob Stinson: All right, seems that grateful for her it looks like.

Rob Stinson: Because we pushed the genesis update it was on a week or two before the five point every update rolled out, we gave it looks like her.

Rob Stinson: clients for the people that she works with able to get that update out so by the time the 5.8 update occurred that you know it was everything was in place, so the timing this into medical difference for her.

David Vogelpohl: yeah it was it was okay timing, I think it was like within a week of the launch of five eight is when 3.94 was out, if I remember correctly, like.

David Vogelpohl: It wasn’t a six month notice, but you know the other thing is like as your.

David Vogelpohl: I know rob you know there’s been for those watching like as these things are evolving and coming up to the release candidate and then you have the release candidate.

David Vogelpohl: And then you kind of get through the rest of the cycle under release.

David Vogelpohl: Your testing as a software provider to say like Okay, this is new stuff going to break this stuff but I need to change things.

David Vogelpohl: And then, as it gets more and more into that finally state, then you can take your software and get it more and more into that finalized states that’s why sometimes these time frames are very close together on things like that.

David Vogelpohl: it’s also why, like when you update your iPhone like you have like 500 Apps that are called need to update, at the same time, because ios right.

David Vogelpohl: Alright cool moving on next question have you tried deemed a json and the VP wordpress 5.8 If so, what are your thoughts and observations on the approach.

David Vogelpohl: I think, like the folks i’ve spoken to get to the shapers responses wait in a minute, but like it’s really about simplification and efficiency, and I feel like a lot of people are getting very excited about the json but.

David Vogelpohl: rob like you definitely are knowledgeable in this area than me, have you played with him json even opinion on the approach relative to fighting.

Rob Stinson: yeah I have i’m continuing to play around with it, as I think many people are because it’s still emerging you know layer within wordpress, in my opinion on it generally is that I like it it’s actually making theme styling in this new block first world more accessible, which I love.

David Vogelpohl: You my for people watching what themed json is I guess yeah.

Rob Stinson: So it’s a single file release I think God json an actual json file and it’s a it’s a structured approach highly opinionated instruction approach to configuring a thing so styling what features are available, you might you know.

Rob Stinson: turning off and on certain things about the way the blocking it works your base colors fonts and things like that, for the whole site it’s a global styling but it’s a very structured approach and it’s simple you’re not having to you know install node packages or.

Rob Stinson: The dependencies and things like that and that’s what I mean by it’s it’s more accessible someone can spin up a theme dot json file a single file and follow the documentation.

Rob Stinson: Which is pretty good but still improving.

Rob Stinson: And configure the site and that’s fantastic, and I have this observation of our wordpress to kind of like an opinion that’s it’s evolving a bit where are the easy things within wordpress are getting easier so.

Rob Stinson: writing a building out a page, you know with columns and interesting layouts is easy now in wordpress because of the blog editor.

Rob Stinson: And I feel like the theme json represents sort of the next piece of all of that it’s making theme customization easier.

Rob Stinson: People don’t need to spin up complex local development environments and workflows to be able to step in and configure a theme and i’m.

Rob Stinson: In what modern web development is, for many people, which is really hard and complex, this is really, really refreshing so i’m excited for it, maybe there’s like you know small improvements that can be made, how it’s done but, in general I think this is awesome.

David Vogelpohl: Okay that’s great to hear you know I think like I immediately went to the web team here wp engine who manages our internal sites and they were like our last project would have been so much easier.

David Vogelpohl: Simpler some of the less lines, and it was it’ll be interesting, but I would say, like looking at the rest of the respondents here.

David Vogelpohl: You know, it looks like there’s a lot of fans it looks like there’s a lot of folks who have tried it out a little bit, but not really dug in it looks like gardener Brian Gardner the founder of studio press he’s making the new genesis theme called frost.

David Vogelpohl: Like around with it quite a bit, but you know I think I mean that’s like anything right it’s like this T shirt came out the day I got this T shirt at the word camp where we’re we’re wordpress 5.0 was kind of release there were camp us in nashville.

David Vogelpohl: And it just reminded me of this with him json is like you know, like who’s building production sites with Gutenberg like the day it’s released right like not a lot of people.

David Vogelpohl: I think some mature, but it also takes time for people adopt right, and so I still think we are in that play around phase, I think that makes sense.

David Vogelpohl: yeah I didn’t get a T shirt for theme dot json now that I do feel left out of that this is the right one, no, this is the wrong one rob this is from T Rowe.

Rob Stinson: nashville yeah Well, this is great it’s two years before that one this one’s from 2016 which I don’t even remember what happened.

That.

David Vogelpohl: Maybe that was the learn javascript deeply when they’re in philly.

Rob Stinson: sounds about right the timing yeah it was it was a couple years before.

David Vogelpohl: yeah, this is the learn.

David Vogelpohl: So great okay cool next up.

David Vogelpohl: What are you working on that you would like us to the next question for the shapers what are you working on that you would like us to share with the rest of the genesis Community already spoil Lloyd.

David Vogelpohl: I said, Brian Gardner is working on a new genesis framework theme called frost clean like a jelly bean, of course, knowing Brian gardeners design style.

David Vogelpohl: Very colorful as well, and then block based so really excited about frost I think we’ll be featuring that on the studio press marketplace soon course it’s always great to have Brian Gardner still now.

David Vogelpohl: john brown releasing I companion plugin called the D frost no just kidding.

David Vogelpohl: was his job he runs his missus here.

David Vogelpohl: Is jerk.

David Vogelpohl: Sally says she wished she’d been working on anything in July guess she’s been kind of out of out of search there but looks like we have frost and then we had some cool stuff from.

David Vogelpohl: know why, on the theme front so we’ll have we’ll have more to come there, but that was good to hear about frost there from Brian Gardner think we should have him back on like one of these video recaps I feel like he’s done a couple of these already, but we should have him back, I feel.

Rob Stinson: that’d be nice.

David Vogelpohl: be going to fill that like that.

David Vogelpohl: next question is, have you tried to fill the johnston’s code snippet to hide the license notification in genesis blocks pro.

David Vogelpohl: or pro plus customers, so the backstory here for those unfamiliar is that if you for pro plus customers.

David Vogelpohl: We basically release genesis blocks pro plugin as well as genesis custom blocks for a plugin for free, you know, for all of those customers.

David Vogelpohl: Now there’s a license key with it and for pro close customers that have kind of lifetime license access in that way.

David Vogelpohl: It didn’t make sense to issue a lifetime keys so phil Johnson provided a code snippet if, for some reason you’re checking this episode out on YouTube go to studio press dot blog.

David Vogelpohl: find the blog post for this video there’ll be a link there to the code snippet and if you found it on the studio press blog just look below this video and there’s a link to the code snippet.

David Vogelpohl: You can download it there, but look like some people weren’t aware of it, but they did make the rounds there of last couple weeks.

David Vogelpohl: All right, that was is pretty simple question like have you seen in people like ooh I did not, I will check it out.

David Vogelpohl: it’s not much to discuss but we’ll move on to the next question help us help the Community, so this is for everyone listening watching.

David Vogelpohl: If you provide client services, what are your favorite up sells to your existing clients to get them to buy more from you and we’re going to share them now, with the Community.

David Vogelpohl: And the idea here is that if you’re running a freelancer or an agency business, what can you do to upsell clients that you’ve already sold to in the past to buy more from you.

David Vogelpohl: um let’s see what is john brown here.

Rob Stinson: This one’s related to the.

David Vogelpohl: Prior topic yay gotcha.

David Vogelpohl: So, like I don’t know like one of my favorite techniques for this is to like go audit their site and look for something else that could be optimized like.

David Vogelpohl: hey I noticed that you do you never addressed this like.

David Vogelpohl: You do this, have you done this before rob or like in your freelancing work do people, just like find you on the street in a costume until you do stuff with it.

Rob Stinson: yeah just people are kicking the door down, I was just too too much business was turning up no not really at all, what would often do things like performance reviews or optimizations things like that so often.

Rob Stinson: Businesses often because there was my agency, the agency, I worked for a VP that it would engage us around like.

Rob Stinson: When building out a brilliant a new brand or a new product so is often very design orientated were very feature orientated was very rare that a business would come and say hey can you just make stuff faster.

Rob Stinson: But there was always the value of having improved performance within the Web for user experience se O is is profound.

Rob Stinson: So we’d often be able to come So yes, we can you know do all this, design and build and feature stuff for you, but while we’re here.

Rob Stinson: Look let’s talk about optimization and improving performance here, these are the reasons why it’s great.

Rob Stinson: While we’re in your code base let’s look for opportunities to improve across the board and we frequently have wins.

Rob Stinson: And the great thing is the Roi for the customer is always there so optimization for, especially when performance we didn’t you know security as well, accessibility, but performance with something that.

David Vogelpohl: We kind of taking that.

David Vogelpohl: Taking that next step right like you might have done this.

David Vogelpohl: Right we’re going to do another level of optimization and that new level is kind of the upsell angle there.

Rob Stinson: yeah that’s right.

David Vogelpohl: You know it’s funny here Sally gets reply she’s like I can’t keep up with the work I have like i’m not doing any.

David Vogelpohl: And I reply back, and I was like well wouldn’t an upsell idea, be to call other agencies and freelancers, and offer them to do their overflow work.

David Vogelpohl: And you know I mean I made that as kind of a counterpoint to her point there right.

David Vogelpohl: Like isn’t that an idea, but I mean that’s literally what I did in my agency days and I got amazing client side of it, I got pioneer electronics remember them like the ones that make the audio equipment.

David Vogelpohl: And who else he shirts, which is a major major insurance company, at least in the US.

David Vogelpohl: And like but I got them by calling a bigger agency and saying hey i’ve got some like really great wordpress developers and we’ve got extra time.

David Vogelpohl: Do you have overflow work do you want to send us and I don’t think I called maybe five places before two of them were like sure, and then one of them ended up sending those material leads, I mean it was very little effort, because I mean, I think.

David Vogelpohl: festive season freelancer businesses, in my opinion, or feast or famine right like you have two modes you’re either not have a lot of work or you have way too much work.

David Vogelpohl: or like you’re the kind of agency or freelancer who always has too much work or you’re the kind who’s always struggling to find the next client, but like there are so many out there that are swamp like Sally here, and please.

David Vogelpohl: don’t most warm her and for her.

David Vogelpohl: You know they mean like but like it’s always out there and like whatever you’re good at there’s somebody that’s not good at that thing.

David Vogelpohl: And like if you did find that connection, you know these notions of competitors really frankly become companions and.

Rob Stinson: Helping you oh yeah.

Rob Stinson: I had a conversation with some of the crew from our agency.

Rob Stinson: Partner program at wp engine and we had this exact point they said.

Rob Stinson: I didn’t see compete with each other, far less that people would assume there’s a lot more collaboration and you know, working together than.

Rob Stinson: That people assume that you always like well they’re serving the same industry in the same way as this other company, they must just be like you know their enemies, you know.

Rob Stinson: But there is a lot less of that, then you would assume there’s a lot more collaboration and a lot more opportunity for collaboration so yeah great point.

Rob Stinson: cool around.

Rob Stinson: You know there to help out.

David Vogelpohl: yeah I was gonna say the classic example is like when a developer freelancer teams up with a designer freelancer right.

David Vogelpohl: yeah and but like that’s like I don’t have the skills so i’m going to get one other freelancer, I guess, then you also have the notion of like I am a freelancer and i’m going to go work as a freelancer for an agency.

David Vogelpohl: And I think that’s really an interesting you know modality, because you can lead a very reliable work for folks.

David Vogelpohl: You know, and I think I think sometimes the downside is that in that mode, you may or may not be working for a lower rate than you normally would your your quote retail rate versus like the rate, you might work for another agency, because they’re now subsequently marking it up.

David Vogelpohl: So what I found was most successful was kind of trying to establish it such that I had the direct relationship with the client like, while the other agency brought me in.

David Vogelpohl: They knew me they signed the contract with me.

David Vogelpohl: I was the one they interacted with now for this agency that was great because they didn’t want to have to deal with the tech parts they made beautiful designs.

David Vogelpohl: church a bunch of money for that, and then they needed someone to do the tech implementation parts, but they didn’t want to get like wound up in the details of all that, so that was the way I found I could actually command a high price.

David Vogelpohl: Without like just being their secret, you know development arm and they’re paying me like sub retail rates or something like that.

David Vogelpohl: so well that was it for questions for the shapers meeting for this this round Robin anything else on on five eight or anything else you want to drop and the genesis blocks custom box or framework we’re all before we before we end the episode here.

Rob Stinson: Now there’s a couple of new posts on this video press blogger worth checking yeah they’re like short quick tip star tutorials planning to do a few more of those so if your regular.

Rob Stinson: were doing there.

If it’s a taboo.

Rob Stinson: One of them, so within genesis blocks, obviously we have a growing library of collections, which are fantastic.

Rob Stinson: But if you’re working with like a brand team, who is female even build a custom collection that’s on brand for their brand.

Rob Stinson: You don’t want all of the other collections, you know you know you only want you know your your content creators to have your collection because that’s the brand one.

Rob Stinson: so little tutorial on D registering all those other collections and removing them from the.

Rob Stinson: From the library so little things like that that I did that one yesterday that was very useful we’ve had a couple of questions coming in, about that so.

Rob Stinson: check that one out there’s another one coming up the other one is about but it’s probably good as well and they’ll be some more so, keep an eye on it.

David Vogelpohl: All right, good deal thanks for mentioning that well thanks so much for joining us for the recap episode asked me here thanks for joining me for the recap episode.

Rob Stinson: That was good thanks for having me.

David Vogelpohl: cool awesome so glad to have you here we’ll have you back for sure thanks everyone else for listening and tuning in here watching.

David Vogelpohl: Please stay tuned for future episodes of the genesis Community live cast again i’ve been your host David vole pole i’ve been a proud member of the genesis Community for over eight years and I love helping the genesis Community get better, together with my friends from the shapers.

Rob Stinson: see everyone.